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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 12:25 pm
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SeattleSekhmet74 wrote on 12/26/08...."I know it's a skimpy topic on this forum, but tithing, forgiveness, tithing, goal setting, affirmations/prayer, and tithing is where it's at....what I love about her book is that she doesn't say you have to tithe to just or even at all a church..she says where you receive your spiritual food..."

Well, I'd starting a new thread on tithing.

My lesson on tithing came at the age of 27, when for the first time; I joined a church by choice. 
Years earlier, I was into metaphysics by choice. 
This church taught me about the “Law of Tithing”.
I had been a very selfish person up to then…
 
Single, and living in Las Vegas at the time, it was around 1980.
I was making about $45,000 per year (adjust that for inflation and that’s pretty good life, especially if you don’t have any debt)
 
So I had $3,700 socked away to pay all cash for a new Toyota Tercel.
 
This tithing thing then, meant I’d have to give that whole amount away.
 
In a leap of faith, I did so, to that church…
and shortly thereafter, I lost my main job at one of the Vegas Hotels and the next week I lost my subcontracting job that was paying me $100/day installing HBO microwave antennas (before cable TV came to town).
 
This was even more devastating because I was in escrow to buy a condo in Vegas. 
 
I called my realtor and told her I was going to cancel the purchase. 
She said if I did, she’d sue me for “specific performance”. 
I ask what that meant, and she said that she was entitled to full commission because she did her job. 
When I came to the escrow office I told the mortgage broker the same info, I lost both jobs, and under the circumstances, would not be getting unemployment payments.
 
I was told; “not to worry about it, just sign the papers”….
 
I took possession of the condo and told my preacher of the situation. 
He got two boarders to fill the empty rooms of my 3+2 condo. 
Those roommates provided enough money to pay the phone, electric, my food and some gas.
 
Then the first mortgage payment became due…
 
I mailed in the coupon with a check for half the amount due with a letter explaining my situation.
 
The check was returned with a letter explaining that the company “does not accept partial payments”.
So I used the money for other need things.
 
Later, I was sued by the homeowners association, for failing to pay my monthly dues. And by the trash company as well.  I told the judge I had no income and I put my trash into store dumpsters.  The judge let me off…
 
I lived in that Condo near Tropicana & Bolder highway for 18 months, and was NEVER NEVER asked or harassed for a mortgage payment, dues or trash bill. 
 
Not by letter or phone, it was a Miracle! (Want to test it for yourself?)
 
All my needs were met, even after I got a job and those roommates left, I wasn’t asked for more. 
 
After 18 months, by MY choice, I mailed the key to the mortgage company and returned to California, because in the month before, the floodgates of heaven had opened, some ignorance had vanished…
 
I had just discovered the Holy Ghost during evening prayer, followed later by God’s Own Voice, speaking to me, in response to an objection I had earlier with the Holy Ghost, about moving back to my hometown.
I did not hesitate to obey.
 
There are many more details to this event, but this is enough for now.
 
That $3,700 went a long way. 
I am convinced tithing made all of that possible. 
I know it led me to my wife of 25 years.
In later years, it has put food on my table and paid bills when I could not.
 
To this day, I keep a stack of $ bill$ within easy reach while I drive my car. 
I find many needy people on street corners looking for help and I give to all,
and judge not.
 
Just this last week, I helped a total stranger stranded in a parking lot, with $40. 
I could Not afford NOT to help someone in her position.
 
I, PAY IT FOREWORD. 
 
It is an insurance policy for me.
It is Gratitude, that I am not the one on that street corner in the rain.  Or stranded in a parking lot 150 miles from home.
It is another form of tithing
It doesn’t have to go to a church.
 
I don’t say this to boast.  I am showing you why you can benefit from giving it away.
 
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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 12:58 pm
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Dear Ahha!

Thank you for your experience with tithing.

I cannot find the Abraham quote specifically right now, but read it on the internet a while back and there were two components to it --

1. When one gives away/tithes -- there has to be the vibration of "well, I have all that I need, and then some extra to give away". i.e. it has to be from a vibration of abundance and not from a vibration of lack, where one grieves.

2. Tithing can also be of one's talents and one's time and does not have to specifically be money. Abraham says it has the same vibration of giving and appreciation for what one already has to share with others.

My question specifically ties into # 1.

While your story is wonderful, and I can see the clear linkages of the chain of events in how one thing led to another, and your needs were miraculously met,

I cant help but notice that the moment you gave away the first $3700, a host of unpleasant things began to happen in your life (job loss, threat of being sued etc. etc.).

I'm wondering how that 'negative' manifestation ties into # 1.

Did you give the $3700 away from a place of abundance or sort of grieving (even if subconsciously for your Toyota Tercel?)

Thanks for sharing your story.

::flowers

 

 

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 01:14 pm
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Actually Abraham has spoken to the topic of tithing quite a few times.  My favorite quote is:

"If you must tithe, tithe to your clothing account". - Abraham

They stress that if you tithe (or give, or spend, or in any way output your money) from a vibration of PLENTY AND ABUNDANCE then you are participating in the active vibration of MORE.  IF, however, you tithe out of duty or out of a sense of "if I do this then I expect X in return", you are not in the vibration of abundance.  If you tithe when your underlying vibration is one of lack, lack is still what you will attract.  The Universe doesn't care what you are doing with your money - it only responds to your vibration and your expectation.

If tithing makes you feel good, you should do it.  But that sentence isn't really saying anything specific about tithing because you can replace absolutely ANY WORD or phrase for the word "tithing" and the sentence would be in keeping with Abraham's teachings.

::stardust::stardustJody

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 01:54 pm
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Jody THANK YOU for that elaboration. i've had this question in the back of my mind and wondered how this works, and your response makes MORE sense than what i've heard elsewhere. and it feels like it's the difference between inspired giving vs. dutiful giving...freedom vs. obligation...

i get it!

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 02:37 pm
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Ahha!  What a great journey that was!

I think that we had a very interesting thread on tithing here at one time.

The key to tithing, as in everything, is the energy of your intention.  The most masterful prosperity teacher I know, Edwene Gaines, teaches that you don't want to tithe to 'need' or out of obligation ("the church expects it, and you must commit to it, all that stuff...), but to WHERE YOU HAVE RECEIVED SPIRITUAL "FOOD"!!!

That could be to an author, a friend, this forum, a speaker you heard, a musician, whathaveyou.

There is a powerful metaphysical force behind tithing---And as God said in the Book of Malachi, "Prove me now!"  Part of it is about demonstrating to yourSELF that the abundance is more than the level of dollars that you are holding on to right now.

Abraham has said, kind of folded into a point they were making about something else, "This is why tithing works........." It is part of the training in understanding that you have to RELEASE CONTROL OVER HOW *YOU* THINK THINGS WORK.

 

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 03:45 pm
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So if I'm understanding you correctly Patricia, the act of us purchasing a book by someone that enriches us spiritually is a form of tithing? In other words, we don't have to seek out specific places or organizations what have you to give back?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 04:25 pm
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Nicolep wrote: So if I'm understanding you correctly Patricia, the act of us purchasing a book by someone that enriches us spiritually is a form of tithing? In other words, we don't have to seek out specific places or organizations what have you to give back?

Not exactly.

What I was saying was that if the material in the book took me to a place of Relief on a topic, and really had an impact on me, I sent a tithe check to the author.

And not so much to places or organizations, as such.  More to the PERSONS whose creativity or allowing and communicating of their wisdom and insight had led to growth for me.  To that PERSON.  ::singer

Or in the case of an "organization," then yes, of course.  But for me, it is almost never to an organization.  If I go to a Unity Church, and I receive a message there that thrills me and takes me to a new place, then for THAT month, the church gets a tithe, or the minister her/him self.

I keep it very "appreciation -specific, "for what Edwene Gaines calls "spiritual food."

Pat

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 Posted: Sat Dec 27th, 2008 10:30 pm
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Ahhh ok, I get what you are saying now, it's much more clear for me. Thank you :beautiful:

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Not feeling ignored Ahha! No need to worry.

I dont think that it's that Jody did not like your answer.  Rather, she must have loved your answer, but it must have veered away from the teachings of Abraham.

Don't take it personally. We've all been guided by her at one time or the other about the content of our posts. It's her job as forum moderator to keep us within forum guidelines of discussing the teachings of Abraham .  

Lets beat the drum of the new story :shock::shock::shock: "We are so lucky to have Jody and we appreciate all the work that she puts in to keep the forum running and editing posts so that all of us have a place to convene and get a diversity of perspectives"

Thank you for sharing your inspiring story! It just goes to show me that disappointment is taking score too soon.  From every "bad" thing that happened to you, a garden of flowers bloomed forth.

::hearts::hearts::hearts

second chances.

 

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 Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 05:27 am
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I heard a phrase recently, not sure who.... where it was taught that we would do well to tithe the most valuable thing we have: Our Consciousness.

I liked it!

Jonquil

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For the longest time, I have been beating the drum of negative energy around charities. While people are volunteering and donating their money, the CEO is racking in a very nice salary. You never know how your donated money is going to be spent. And I think that in many ways, a charity can be organized as a business, so that people who volunteer are paid. I think anyone who provides value to another, there is an exchange of energy, so it only makes sense that they are paid for contributing to this flow. And it's almost like a charity affirms this belief that money is scarce, and "we cannot afford to pay our workers, that is why we NEED volunteers".

As Wallace D Wattles says in The Science of Getting Rich, "Do not spend your time in charitable work, or charity movements; all charity only tends to perpetuate the wretchedness it aims to eradicate. You cannot hold the mental image which is to make you rich if you fill your mind with pictures of poverty."

So, when I see people begging for money, or talking about charities -- I have always thought "let the dead bury their own." But this week, I was walking by one of those Salvation Army volunteers at the mall. During the Holiday Season, they ring their bell, and collect contributions in the bucket. And I thought -- How can it be that something with such a good intention, of love, compassion, and caring for other human beings, how can it manifest any undesired results? Surely, even if some of the money makes its way to the suffering, and 50% of it is drained for operational costs of the organization, then that joy is worth my contribution.

I have been using charities as a reason to resist the flow of money, and in that effort, I have been resisting my own abundance. Wealth is built one better feeling thought at a time.

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 Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 09:01 am
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::music::musicMarcin, that was one TITITO post!  I think you made the point beautifully that ANY "pushing against" is not beneficial to your own vibration.  When you saw the charitable organizations as negative, you held yourself in that judgmental vibration, but as soon as you released the judgment and just gave because it made you feel good - as you said - it could not fail but to benefit everyone involved.  I absolutely objectively agree with what you said about organized charity.  And I agree with Wattles - great quote - but the bottom line is always our own vibration. 

I once gave regularly to a local organization that provides meals to families on holidays.  It felt good, and I just gave freely with a vision of people being joyful and didn't really give a lot of thought to the "plight" of the people who "needed" the food.  Lately, however, they have upped their efforts to recruit money, and the way they are doing it has literally stopped the flow from me.  They've started to send glossy pamphlets with pictures of sad and destitute human beings staring out of the photo beseechingly.  And they've started to phone me - telling me in whiny voices that without my contribution all will be gloom and doom.  I decided to stop giving to that particular organization because with their new vibration of desperation and lack, they cannot (IMO) be doing anything but exaclty what Wallace Wattles describes.  I DID however, give generously to a local youth group that is joyfully and exuberantly doing basically the same thing - feeding the hungry on holidays.  Their vibration is happy and uplifting, and I know they'll be able to pass that on to those they provide service and food to.

Thanks for giving me a platform to express all this (even thought it's not directly related to "tithing"....  And thanks to that Salvation Army guy at Marcin's mall for being joyous and abundant feeling on the holidays.

::huggingJody::music

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I totally agree. It's all about the intention behind both the donation and the organization. I don't give out of guilt and pity as much any more (I've been sucked in a few times but when it doesn't feel good, why do it?). I did give money to the Salvation Army this year, because the girl working the donation box was sining carols. I told her it was for her SINGING that I was contributing, and it felt good. 
 

If a person is not a vibrational match to abundance, no amount of charity in the world is going to dig them out of that pit. I saw these guys who made a documentary, it was on Oprah. They found a homeless man and they gave him $100,000. They wanted to make sure their experiment had every chance of success. They made financial advisors available to him, free of charge. He had support.

Within a very short amount of time, he had blown every last cent and may have actually ended up in debt, when he hadn't had any debt or credit before. He said on Oprah that he wished he had never been given the money.


A hundred grand is a lot of money, and definitely enough to completely change someone's life, IF they're a vibrational match to it. I see the same people out on the street day after day and sometimes I've given them money. Sometimes people give a dollar or $5 or more. I would bet that a lot of those people (or at least some of them) actually bring in more cash each day that I do. Yet they continue to have no money, no home, etc.


edit: the film is called Reversal of Fortune

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 Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2008 09:31 am
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marcin wrote: I have been using charities as a reason to resist the flow of money, and in that effort, I have been resisting my own abundance. Wealth is built one better feeling thought at a time.


Marcin - Thx so much for this post, like Jody said so very TITITO! Makes me wonder  ::chin what reasons, thoughts & beliefs am I holding to resist the flow of money & keeping me apart from my own abundance.     


::TU for sharing & for this insight!

~PGP


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Jody1 wrote:   The Universe doesn't care what you are doing with your money -
::LOLLOL! This made me laugh Jody! Sooo true!


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