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leewatters
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:13 pm |
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I was having a conversation about PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) today, and I got to wondering about Abe's take on it.
It is debilitating, and springs from actively experienced trauma in children or adults or supressed childhood trauma in adults. It's as if you instantaneously attached a fiercely negative belief and response to a stimuli -- without being able to choose the belief or the reaction. And that you never knew you could control, explain or modify the response.
Cognitive therapy is one of the best methods of getting it under control, which meshes perfectly with LOA.
I would imagine Abe would say that it's simply a matter of consciously practicing new beliefs and attaching them to whatever stimuli launches the uncomfortable and frightening feeling of being in extreme and imminent physical or emotional danger and the learned reaction. It feels like LOA 101.
Anyone remember them addressing it?
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Good Vibrations
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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good question
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Infinitelove
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:33 pm |
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"..it's simply a matter of consciously practicing new beliefs and attaching them to whatever stimuli launches the uncomfortable and frightening feeling of being"
This is Abraham in a nutshell.
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leewatters
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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Infinitelove wrote: "..it's simply a matter of consciously practicing new beliefs and attaching them to whatever stimuli launches the uncomfortable and frightening feeling of being"
This is Abraham in a nutshell.
As Abe says: "We really only have one answer."
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Ming Bai
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 02:55 am |
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I am not aware of any discussion. But, EFT can help. 
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patricia b
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 03:29 am |
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leewatters wrote: Infinitelove wrote: "..it's simply a matter of consciously practicing new beliefs and attaching them to whatever stimuli launches the uncomfortable and frightening feeling of being"
This is Abraham in a nutshell.
As Abe says: "We really only have one answer."
I have noticed that whether Abraham is asked about obsessive-compulsive disorder, or depression, or bi-polar syndrome, the answer is always the same: "There isn't anyone who can't choose a different thought."
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 03:54 am |
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I think I have something like that, I had never given that specific name which for some reason I always associate to war veterans, but always knew it was a form of trauma deeply imbedded in my consciousness. I can describe what it is about if needed, no problem about it. Anyway, although far from being solved, it has lightened up considerably in these aber months. What has most helped me is going back to the time of the trauma and tell another story, giving to the events a different and positive meaning.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 03:58 am |
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patricia b wrote:
I have noticed that whether Abraham is asked about obsessive-compulsive disorder, or depression, or bi-polar syndrome, the answer is always the same: "There isn't anyone who can't choose a different thought."
This is true, and some time is needed for the new thought to make some difference, as the thought to replace is very deep inside, surrounded by a lot of pain that makes it almost inaccessible.
In young age I went to a psychoanalist who used a cognitive approach with me, and the feeling of his kindness had a great role for me to slowly open up and let change come in. Now with the birth of my son new deeper layers have emerged and although I am practically doing the same thing but alone, it feels more difficult, as the resistance is very strong in that specific area, it's like always blinking 'access denied'.
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marcin
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:04 am |
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Fear is informing you that one of your beliefs is not supported by your belief system, and it is causing contradiction. So identify the belief, clarify what is not desired, and think it's opposite.
Sounds like the beliefs relating to self-value or safety need some filtering.
Just know when it is happening, it is normal. Approach it from a place of "I have PTSD, and I can feel like an outcast, or I have PTSD, and I can feel OK about it, like the sky is blue, the grass is green, and my current state of being finds value with replaying these memories." Don't beat yourself up over it. Be easy about it. Where you are is where you are, and that is ok.
Contrast is meant to serve you in clarifying your personal preferance. You experience contrast, focus on what you want instead, and now that is your point of attraction. There is no value from beating the drum of what went wrong. It really is as simple as clarifying what you want by using the contrast. And that is enough to change your point of attraction. Then you can say "Thank you contrast for serving me, and now I allow you to leave my pie. From now on, only ___________ will be my experience. I invite ____________ into my pie."
So you experience contrast, focus on what you want, and done. That is your new platform. And from here, you experience more contrast, focus immediately on what you want, and done. That is your new platform. And this goes on, and on, and on. It is a process that guarantees infinity, and that you will never be done, and that you will never get it all finished. So, there is no point to keep beating the drum of what is going wrong, because that doesn't provide any value. And, there is no point beating yourself up over it, that it's not done yet, because it will never be finished.
There is a new statement I have been practicing that goes like this:
"I forgive myself that I allowed myself to _________".
You get into a feeling place of relaxation, clear mind, and then you would say something like:
"I forgive myself that I allowed myself to feel fear/anxiety when thinking this memory."
"I forgive myself that I allowed myself to believe that my safety depends on the behaviors or emotional state of others."
"I forgive myself that I allowed myself to keep focusing on the contrast."
"I forgive myself that I allowed myself to hold on to these memories."
This works when you understand that you are a complete being, and you have been fooling yourself to think otherwise, thinking of yourself as less. And instead of thinking "I need to do something to be complete", you can free yourself, by releasing these disempowering thoughts. So you forgive yourself, because it was you who chose these thoughts, or was unaware it was you choosing these thoughts, and by forgiving yourself, you are reclaiming your power to control your state of being. When you forgive yourself, you choose to hit the DELETE key, so these processes do not repeat themself.
I'm alright where I am.
My life experience has had lots of good moments.
The contrast is here to help me to clarify my desires, not to make me suffer.
Well-being is the neutral state, and I don't have to reach for good feeling thoughts, all I have to do is allow myself to release the bad feeling thoughts, and that will be enough to allow the well-being in.
I don't have to get all of these thoughts absolutely reversed today.
The contrast caused me to shoot out powerful rockets of desire, and even now as I continue to beat the drum of what is going wrong, I am shooting out even more rockets of desire, and this summoning of energy has become so strong, that very soon, my thoughts will align with a fast-moving stream of well-being, and POOF, there will be an explosion of good, and it will keep flowing and flowing.
The being which caused this trauma was disconnected from their source of well-being, they felt disempowered, and I understand they were trying to find relief. I would like to inform them that there is much love in this world for them too, I would like them to find relief and connect with their well-being, and I appreciate the experience we co-created because it caused me to shoot up a powerful rocket of desire, which has allowed me to clarify my desires, and has allowed me to become a powerful deliberate creator that will never be less than I have become today.
Last edited on Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:06 am by marcin
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CarolSmile
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:13 am |
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Abraham has suggested that often the revisiting of a tramatic event creates more distress than the original event itself.
They suggest that you make peace with the original event, that you conciously acknowledge that it is in the past, and is no longer a part of who you are. Also that you acknowledge that the event has been made larger by other people's reactions to it.
That, when they have spoken about people who have been in wars, or who have been sexually molested.
I know it's hard, and I personally have gone through a lot of therapy for PTS, so I really believe that it is important to be far enough along in your healing to be able to HEAR Abraham. Otherwise, it is really an upstream thing to hear.
All is well and whereever you are is JUST FINE!
I Am My Own Vortex,
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:29 am |
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Marcin you have described very well what I've been doing, even before meeting the teachings of Abrahams. So far, this subject has revealed to be more slippery than I thought, more elusive. Many many times I thought I had cleared the vibrations and then found myself back at square one. I'm not the kind of person who lingers in the past, I have a very intense and adventurous life, not too much time for beating old drums, and too many things I love to waste time in old miseries. But I mean, contrast is contrast and trauma is trauma. Different degrees of pain, different levels of depth. Still, I'm convinced that the light of awareness reaches everywhere, giving it the time. And more and more, I let it in.
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psydoc
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:44 am |
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Carol
Thank you for the statement about using therapy - often times people view going to a shrink as "upstream" because you are discussing things from the past...but in my experience (being on BOTH sides of the couch) for some people, by discussing the upstream events it frees them to move to another level in the EGS...thus helping them to go downstream. My caveat to this would be of course, it all depends on 1) the therapist and how good s/he is 2) the type of therapy being practiced and 3) where the patient is emotionally.
As Abe said on one of the tapes (sorry I can't remember which) when you talk about LOA to some people who are in a really bad place they don't believe it bc , as Abe said so humerously, "if it did work then YOU would be gone!" (not a direct quote obviously).
I think timing is everything! IMHO.
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marcin
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 04:58 am |
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There is an amazing EFT video I saw. This lady was sexually abused as a child. And you could see it in her face, she looked depressed and sad. And she went to one of the EFT workshops because of her addiction to smoking. Gary Craig did some tapping with her, and pivoted from her smoking beliefs, and later to the abuse. She called him back 3 days after the workshop and said the next day she felt like a giant burden lifted from her back, it felt good to smile, and as a bonus her smoking cravings have gone down considerably. It's one of the most amazing things I have ever observed, and it reinforces my belief that even physical ailments are self-created.
That was one of the videos. I found a topic that is related. Search on Google: eft beginner collapses her own PTSD.
I think positive affirmations are the way to go. I think a detriment to the healing is thinking that the affirmation is only words you repeat, it's something fake that you tell yourself to feel better, like saying "I am naturally happy" but then feeling otherwise. It's only a few days ago that I really began to understand... as humans, we are complete from the day of our birth, we don't need to rely on some doctor to tell us we are healthy, or our boss to tell us we are worthy of money, or parents to tell us we are lovable. I realized that WE ARE ALL THOSE THINGS, and every little thought, or communication with another that tell us otherwise, is a LIE that separates us from our true self. It is like your current place is a point here, and where you want to be is over there, and the line that connects the two points demonstrates the relationship of where you are to where you want to be. And you think mentally, you have to travel this path from here to there, there is some kind of activity that will make you bridge that gap. But the truth is, you already are over there, but you are fooling yourself to believe you are over here, because of the thoughts you are thinking. The relationship is how you view yourself, not how you really are. And so when you understand you can never be less then complete, healthy, wealthy, now you can forgive yourself for thinking otherwise, releasing those thoughts, and allowing yourself to be who you really are.
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leewatters
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 12:32 pm |
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Just a reminder to those who are new to Abe: EFT is NOT an Abe technique. It is something that some have found relief from, because it is one of many ways to change your focus.
You've all shared some great ideas for shifting focus. But let's keep the thread focused on Abe's comments and methods.
Thanks!
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 01:04 pm |
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