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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 05:09 am
imaginator wrote:  Err,,, hello? He wrote that in his book, just like Abraham and Esther write about their experience in their books ok?

 


Esther doesn't go anywhere. She does not have an out of body experience, infact it is more and in body experience.:) The focusable aspects of Abraham's message can be substanciated through our own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct.

Cheers

Simon 

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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 12:03 pm
When Esther channels the "collection of our inner beings" known as Abraham is that the same as the non-physical source entities as when she channelled Seth?

And has she ever channelled any inner beings who prefer a female gender name?

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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 12:40 pm
I don't think Esther has ever channelled Seth. Could be wrong.:)

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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 01:12 pm
Brices - Esther never channeled Seth. You're probably thinking of Jane Roberts. However, Abraham has said that Seth is part of the collective consciousness known as Abraham.  They have never gone by any other name...to the best of my knowledge.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 01:46 pm
Abraham said that they are the same energy as Seth, Ramtha, Jesus, and many others. The asking is, of course, somewhat different - lots of things that were important to Jane Roberts are not what Esther (and many of us) ask about. If you, for example, start to channel this energy yourself, you'll get a different name, have a different style, different way of doing it, different focus... that's the beauty of it.
 
A woman once asked Abraham about the gender - why they've chosen a male name. They explained Esther has chosen it from mass-consciousness, they said they liked the balance of Esther being female and them having a male name.
 
Another reason why many channelers in the past - things are changing these days - have used male names for the energy they've channeled is because on a mass-belief level, god was referred to as "he", Jesus, Buddha and so many spiritual figures that were most focused upon were male... and subconsciously male name would be picked up - not by the Source energy, but by the receiver of it.
 
Love to all ::group
 

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leewatters wrote: imaginator wrote: Anyway, Robert Monroe said not everyone goes back to source immediately.
Sure they do. You release physical and you're non-physical again. Pure positive energy.

Anything else is a human excuse to justify something.

:beautiful:



We are Source energy, even now.

Yes of course there can only be duality - physical or non-physical. Erm, I can't think of anything else in between. Well a dead person in spirit is non-physical, and is Source energy. Doesn't mean he can't have an identity.


 

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 Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 06:13 am
Yeslist wrote:
 
Esther doesn't go anywhere. She does not have an out of body experience, infact it is more and in body experience.:) The focusable aspects of Abraham's message can be substanciated through our own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct.

Cheers

Simon 

 

I wish we were not go so shallow as to judge people as having out of body experience(Robert Monroe) or in body experience(Esther-Abraham) whether they are conveying the right message. Speaking of in-body experience, I believe Edgar Cayce who is also a chaneller also has lots of different info than Abraham hicks. aNYWAY having an OBE doesn't mean an author's experience is not true or that he is lying. You seem to think everything Abraham said is 100% gospel, without even considering any alternatives. I acknowledge Abraham's understanding of emotions and manifesting, but for facts, I prefer to remain open. Anyway, your selection of what to believe seems to be - if its from Esther Hicks then its true. I'm not saying Estehr/Abraham is wrong, but sometimes its good to be more open minded to other possibilities :)


Eg when Abraham says Jesus is a man etc, we are not sure if that is accurate, as there are lots of ancient mystical and historical facts that shows Jesus is only a symbol of God, and his life story is the life of Krishna (India) and Horus(Egyptian Sun god) who lived hundreds of years BC. Read Albert Sweitszher's book "in search of the historical Jesus" and also books by Neville Goddard and Joseph Murphy. "Jesus is the symbolism of your almighty power of imagination  to create and to forgive sin"(sin = missing the mark = missing your desire = not being in the right mindset/state to create your desires). There was no real Jesus as his whole life story from virgin birth, to performing miracles, denying the devil, getting resurrected is the exact life story of Krishna(Christ of India), and Horus (Egyptian Sun God= symbolism of sun).

Also Jesus is the pagan/mystical symbolism of the Sun (aka. Horus the Sun God). Jesus(1), surrounded by 12 disciples (12 astrological signs surrounding the Sun). He is the embodiment of the Age of Pisces (fishermen, fish symbol), while Moses is the symbolism of the Age of Aries (kill the bull, at the age of the ram Aries they must destroy the symbolism of Taurus before it). While Jesus said the next savior will be a man bearing a pitcher of water (the coming age of Aquarius).etc. In Easter, when spring is here, the Jews worship the sun because sun is at the higest point in the sky. Resurrection, easter, symbolises the highest point of the Sun (God), showing God's glory. Around 25 December, the sun is at the lowest point and begins to move upwards, hence, God(Jesus/Sun) is born. At that time the sign of Virgo is in the Eastern sky, hence, Virgo = virgin. The Sun God is born from the virgin (eastern sky = sun rises/born).

 

 

 

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 Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 06:58 am
imaginator wrote: Yeslist wrote:
 
Esther doesn't go anywhere. She does not have an out of body experience, infact it is more and in body experience.:) The focusable aspects of Abraham's message can be substanciated through our own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct.

Cheers

Simon 

 

I wish we were not go so shallow as to judge people as having out of body experience(Robert Monroe) or in body experience(Esther-Abraham) whether they are conveying the right message. Speaking of in-body experience, I believe Edgar Cayce who is also a chaneller also has lots of different info than Abraham hicks. aNYWAY having an OBE doesn't mean an author's experience is not true or that he is lying. You seem to think everything Abraham said is 100% gospel, without even considering any alternatives. I acknowledge Abraham's understanding of emotions and manifesting, but for facts, I prefer to remain open. Anyway, your selection of what to believe seems to be - if its from Esther Hicks then its true. I'm not saying Estehr/Abraham is wrong, but sometimes its good to be more open minded to other possibilities :)





 

Hi Imaginator


I stand by my words...."The focusable aspects of Abraham's message can be substanciated through our own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct"

If other folks you talk about can do that for me, then I'll listen to them also.:)

Show me some substance to your statements so that I can relate to them.

Cheers

Simon


 

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Yeslist wrote:

I stand by my words...."The focusable aspects of Abraham's message can be substanciated through our own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct"

If other folks you talk about can do that for me, then I'll listen to them also.:)

Show me some substance to your statements so that I can relate to them.

Cheers

Simon


 



I did not deny that this is true regarding manifesting and our thoughts and emotions. However you cannot in anyway prove that what Abraham said about transition or ghosts or returning back to source is true, since you are still here. Same goes for me. 

 My post wasn't to dispute whether what we focus becomes true, but regarding ghosts, transition, and I added an example of where I did not agree with Abraham regarding Jesus being a man. As for your request per substance to my statements -->see facts re Jesus as symbol in previous post. Or read non-Abraham books such as those by Albert Sweitzher, Neville Goddard, or go to youtube and search for Zeitgeist movie regarding Jesus = symbolism of Sun = God.



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 Posted: Thu Apr 10th, 2008 08:36 am
This is what I Stated about ghosts.....

"They exist only in the individual perception of each singular expression of the stream of consciousness that is focused in this physical construct."

That could be a statement true for all subjects(including Jesus) focused upon in this physical construct.

I can prove I am a non physical being extended into this physical construct by the evidence ...."The focusable aspects of my inner reality that can be substantiated through my own physical experience. We get to prove this stuff for ourselves in this physical construct" And ,I also said that about Abraham's message.

Others may not regard this as proof and that's OK...... for I only need prove these insights to myself.

You don't have to prove anything to me at all. All I am asking is that you show me substance from your statements that I can relate to.

Whether or not Jesus was or is a man or an apparition in an imagination is only relevant to those that aspire to have Jesus as a part of their experience. And the same applies to ghosts and fairies and UFO's and whatever else we can imagine. The contrast of the physical construct offers enormous volumes of existing vibration on all of the above. We get to decide whether we want to choose those vibrations for our experience.

When some one comes up with a better concept of describing all that is I'll listen, but for now I am vibrating with Abraham's message and that suits my vibe.

You are welcome to your own thoughts and actions as much as I am.

There is no wrong and right in all this just perception.

When someone focuses on a lack of money, that lack is a reality to that person. Another person in similar financial circumstances may have a very different and more abundant perspective, and that perspective is just as valid.

Cheers

Simon

 

Last edited on Thu Apr 10th, 2008 08:47 am by Yeslist


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