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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 01:37 pm |
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camelia wrote: MayanThunderbird wrote:
If it is the manifestation of an already exsisting desire you need not seek enlightment, but seek alignment with that which your contrasting experience has already caused you to ask for.
if we have already launched the desire we need not seek for it, because it will come, all we have to do is be aligned with our present desires and manifestations.
Yes perhaps allow alignment would have been a clearer word to use in what I said instead of seek alignment.
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 01:53 pm |
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~ "Enlightenment is always there. Small enlightenment will bring great enlightenment. If you breathe in and are aware that you are alive—that you can touch the miracle of being alive—then that is a kind of enlightenment." ~
Thich Nhat Hanh
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 07:14 pm |
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MayanThunderbird wrote:
allow alignment / seek alignment
I love the distinction we came to see because of your post! I love co-creating with others!
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Posted: Thu Mar 4th, 2010 07:37 pm |
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Joseph wrote: ~ "Enlightenment is always there. Small enlightenment will bring great enlightenment. If you breathe in and are aware that you are alive—that you can touch the miracle of being alive—then that is a kind of enlightenment."
Here Joseph I see again, different use of the word enlightenment/ awake. I was for long periods of time very aware of WHAT IS, and that's why I feel awake - to the nature of the human being. But while I was awake, some periods breath to breath, some periods minute to minute, or several minuts, etc., I have to say I was aware of WHAT IS, and what is was at times full of nativities/resistances/tensions. That is why I separate enlightenment moment from awake moment.
Enlightenment moment for me - same as awake, but full of light - naturally when one is clear of the resistances, etc. at the moment merging with Source occurs, and there is no separation - as somebody said - "The fountain of Love, fountain of Love will spring from withing". So one in the moment of Enlightenment see the world through Love - the eyes of Source. And if one have a period of moments like this - then it is a great enlightenment - what Songbird mentioned about Jesus. And why particular people can have this I don't know.
Joseph, I don't want you or any other to take my view, I am appreciative, guys, for all your contributions here on this thread because it does help ME to expend in MY understanding of this phenomena. I hope it is helpful for others too to get to THEIR OWN conclusions!
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 01:48 am |
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Guys, I may try to distinguish too much. But it is where my thoughts went. Feeling-wise, there are moments when I feel I will burst from the power of the expectation. And you all have been in a spiritual practices for long time, and some of you felt interest to become enlightened in your early years. I didn't care about enlightenment at all untill I started to feel at moments I will burst from the power of sureness, belief, expectation. Feels like one split second and boom! And at those times I feel frisky, I feel fully empowered, I feel whole, I feel divine....But I feel something else should be there, like a moment of Grace...
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 05:45 am |
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fromknowingtojoy wrote: ... at those times I feel frisky, I feel fully empowered, I feel whole, I feel divine.... Dear fromknowingtojoy:
What you have described here is a "Moment of Grace"...
Everyone has these moments.. but they have been programmed /conditioned to believe there is more, so they look for more
and immediately fall from that grace.
When you understand that in those moments, you are Being,
Who You Really Are ... that is Enlightenment !
Namaste 
John G
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 06:06 am |
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Jgronin wrote: What you have described here is a "Moment of Grace"...
You right, you right...
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 06:13 am |
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I've released resistance and allowed the fullness of who I am to integrate. So the physical me is the same vibrational frequency as non-physical me!
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 06:49 am |
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Jgronin wrote: fromknowingtojoy wrote: ... at those times I feel frisky, I feel fully empowered, I feel whole, I feel divine.... Dear fromknowingtojoy:
What you have described here is a "Moment of Grace"...
Everyone has these moments.. but they have been programmed /conditioned to believe there is more, so they look for more
and immediately fall from that grace.
When you understand that in those moments, you are Being,
Who You Really Are ... that is Enlightenment !
Namaste
John G
its like the (zen?) saying:
Before enlightenment: chopping wood
After enlightenment: chopping wood
meaning life still consists of the same material stuff (not that you need to be chopping wood if you don't want to be) but we see it differently. That's how I understand it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 07:06 am |
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camelia wrote: its like the (zen?) saying:
Before enlightenment: chopping wood
After enlightenment: chopping wood
Me too!
Before enlightenment: I am chopping wood -  a chore
After enlightenment: still chopping wood -  an expression of joy and love
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 05:53 pm |
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camelia wrote: ...its like the (zen?) saying:
Before enlightenment: chopping wood
After enlightenment: chopping wood
meaning life still consists of the same ... stuff ... but we see it differently. That's how I understand it.
Exactly; the only thing that changes is your perspective / viewpoint of who you really are You have answered the question
"WHO AM I ?"  
But from that new perspective;  Life looks very different.
     
It is the non-recognition of who you really are
that allows you to get in so much confusion.
 Aloha JG
The Huna principles:
1. IKE - our ideas create our reality.
2. KALA - there are no limits.
3. MAKIA - energy flows where attention goes.
4. MANAWA - now is the moment of power.
5. ALOHA - to love is to be happy with.
6. MANA - all power comes from within.
7. PONO - effectiveness is the measure of truth.
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 06:52 pm |
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Jgronin wrote:
It is the non-recognition of who you really are
that allows you to get in so much confusion.
Yea, Jgronin, I agree 100%, and I see how in the moment of enlightenment, or being fully in the Vortex, there is no problem in this recognition (you can even see in this thread me in-the Vortex and out at times). So lately on this Thread it was out-of-the Vortex experience - when one remembers how it is to be enlightened, but don't really experiences it, and one feels as one can crack the code Even though, Enlightenment is a state of Being, and the code is simple and no secret (chop wood, walk walk, talk talk, etc ) , and all knows, but not all moved from Knowing to Being.
And out of the Vortex - is the confusion and non-recognition and all other bogus feeling of yourself
This conversations helps me expend on this subject exponentially!
Elena
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Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2010 08:41 pm |
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fromknowingtojoy wrote: Enlightenment is a state of Being, ...
And out of the Vortex - is the confusion and non-recognition and all other bogus feeling of yourself This conversations helps me expand on this subject exponentially!
How wonderful can you get??
JG
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Posted: Sat Mar 6th, 2010 07:01 am |
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About half-a-year ago I did speak about this subject with non-physical energies Veronica, many of you know them too. And I talked to Veronica that I never was really interested in Enlightenment as some kind of attainment, but I have a strong desire and expectation to BECOME Light. What is that desire in me? This is what they told me: "You were already Enlightened, and now you came into this life to PARTICIPATE FULLY IN THE LIFE OF YOUR ENERGY, and you call that desire in you "to become Light"(to merge with Source Energy that is Light, Love, Wellbeing, Joy) Isn't is beautiful?!
Isn't it what Abe say when they say you release resistance and you train your physicality so that the vibrations of the body/mind structure will match the vibrations of your Source Energy - both will be fully integrated and fully participating aka seeing the world through the eyes of Source!
Inner transformation, inner expansion was the main focus of my life for all my adult life. I never took my focus from it, it was just natural fixation, and Universe always, unceasingly was delivering people, events and circumstances matching my strongest vibration - to seek for the ways to explore my inner world, as I called it at first, then my Energy, then my real Self, now VR, VE, Source Energy - endless words for the same - much bigger ME then just this physical body/mind structure that is visible and tangible.
Abe shined so much light on my search, I stopped searching - I got it! The work now is only as they say to release resistance, as I always did before and continue through meditation and other processes, and "to train" the physicality into the higher vibrations - and this is what Abe help me to do now with the importance of emotions as indicators, Emotional Guidance Scale, importance of relief and feeeeeling my way forward.
These are the keys not only to Enlightenment as a one time moment, but the keys to stabilise oneself in a Thriving vibrations, vibrations that are matching the vibrations of the Source, and experience a string of moments of Enlightenment - and that is what living mostly in the Vortex or PARTICIPATING FULLY IN THE LIFE OF ONE'S ENERGY IS.
So much appreciation to all who contributed and will contribute to this thread and for my expancion on this subjectElena
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Posted: Sat Mar 6th, 2010 08:45 am |
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fromknowingtojoy wrote: PARTICIPATING FULLY IN THE LIFE OF ONE'S ENERGY IS
MERGING
is
BLENDING
is
 BEING IN THE VORTEX
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ENLIGHTENMENT
IN THE MOMENT!
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Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 06:51 am |
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Ok, friends, I thought this would be appropriate place to paste my conversation with Abe. There are 2 parts: first is about serious meditation, and the second about Enlightenment. My dear vibrational friend Fabienne transcribed the first one, and I am pasting it here. I asked her for the second part too, and when she does, I will post it.
Elena: Very nervous…
Abraham: Breathe deeply and speak loudly
(Silence…Elena is trying to breathe!…)
Or sit quietly and say nothing…(Laughter from the audience)…It’s all good!
Elena: Hum…I had a very unique experience in my life, and that’s what I want to talk about. I went through a lot of years of very serious meditation…retreats, many hours a day, between 10 and 12 hours a day of meditation
Abraham: Of withdrawing from life!
Elena: Hum…That’s what I want to talk about, because I went to one workshop where you were saying that people who meditate a lot, they withdraw from life and they look kind of dead. And …(laughter) but in my experience, it is completely not true for me, because I was experiencing so much inside, and was going through so much…
Abraham: There is nothing wrong with what you were doing and we agree with you. You do not look dead…(Laughter), but meditation is a quieting of the mind and therefore a releasing of resistance and therefore a moving into the Vortex and a dawning of that broader perspective. And it’s not so different, really, from the vibration that you held before you came forth and focused. So the only reason that we use the term, which is a bit harsh, of withdrawing from life is because when you stay there for long periods of time you are not experiencing what you came to experience.
We’ve been talking about this today, you see…If you said my options were: I could focus out into my reality where there was unwanted things and be out of whack with who I am, or I could meditate and come back into alignment with who I am, and those were my choices…Then we would say: well we would be like you, we would choose meditation and therefore coming into vibrational alignment with who we really are. But you do not have only those two choices, we talked about that several times here today, we are encouraging you to let go of what bothers you through meditation and reemerge into the fullness of who you are and then to take that aligned You back into the physical world and live fully.
And we do not believe that it requires 10 to 12 hours a day of withdrawing from life. That’s 10 to 12 hours of wake state that you could be vividly in alignment and participate fully, the whole of you, in life as you intended to do.
Elena: But now I can’t and now I met your teachings because I released a whole lot of resistance through my years of meditation because before…
Abraham: We don’t disagree with you. We don’t have to have this discussion, because you get to choose what you do. And there certainly isn’t anything wrong with what you do, we are just here to say to you, to all of you, that 15 or 20 minutes a day of tuning to who you are is enough deliberate intention to come into alignment with who you are. In other words, we are not here to guide you about what you do with your physical life. If you say: I want to go to a movie or I want to swim in the ocean or I want to play tennis or I want to meditate, all of that is perfectly alright. We just want it to be very clear that meditation is a tool for alignment, not a tool for withdrawal from the physical experience, and there are a lot people that are using it that way.
Elena: Yes I understand that and the meditation was never for me to withdraw from physical experience but more like releasing resistance. That’s the only tool I found at the time. Now…
Abraham: Was it not possible for you to focus in the world?
Elena: No, not possible
Abraham: So you were living such extreme situation that it was necessary for you to feel your way into alignment?
Elena: Yes
Abraham: Then good for you!
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Posted: Fri Mar 19th, 2010 07:54 am |
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Songbird!
Abe is right telling that there are more choices, but for some people meditation retreats are the choice in the moment because of the nature of their energy coupled with strong habits of the mind (Tolle name it huge Pain Body) and coupled with contrast creates extream conditions. We always gravitating to the way of least resistance, and serious meditation for period of time can serve one perfectly . And for some it is a way of life, and I honor that. I still don't understand why Abe accept any way of life outside the Vortex, inside, etc, but they are pushing away from the notion that some people came here to go through this particular experience, for part of their life or even a full life, why not?
Anybody has an input???
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Posted: Fri Mar 19th, 2010 07:55 am |
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Meditation retreat(example)
Going inward. Releasing resistance (sankaras in Pali) by Natalija Brunovs (graphics)
A mind full of juggled thoughts, leap-frogging, chaotic and unreliable.
Slowly the mind quietens to single thoughts you can see and dismiss.
Other unpleasant sensations on the body begin to show up, heartburn, sore shoulders, gallbladder pain.
But I can focus my awareness on the breath coming out of my nostrils and on to my upper lip.
I travel across my body and the pains become more severe, the pleasurable vibrations become more prominent. I am starting to be able to feel every inch of my skin.
The strangest sensations come out, then fade away. Each one a resistance I have 'let go of'.
I feel like a galaxy, shooting star sensations, electrons all over, subtle pains.
I am the constantly changing Vortex of oscillations. No resistances at the moment.
THEN WE GO BACK TO LIFE!
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Posted: Fri Mar 19th, 2010 08:16 am |
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ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT I GO IN THE VORTEX EVERYTIME YOU WRITE THE WORD "SIMULTANEOUSLY", BECAUSE I CAN HEAR YOU SAYING IT AND EVERY TIME YOU SAID IT ON THE CRUISE I FLOATED AROUND IN MY VORTEX AND MELTED INTO HAPPINESS AND JOY! I LOVE YOUR ACCENT TO THE NTH DEGREE!
I can't wait to hear it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!!
Love you
Pauline
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