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Is it foolish to think smoking is ok?
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Pacman
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 Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 11:49 pm
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I believe in Abraham / Hicks... and their teachings.  Miraculous things have happened to me in all areas whether relationally, emotionally, physically, and financially since I started utilizing their teachings late last year. 

HOWEVER... one thing I've always kind of wondered (And is a big deal for me) is the area of health, nutrition, and exercise.  Jerry Hicks made it seem that one can become buff (Or at least, "In Shape") by simply FEELING the way you would feel as if you were already buff and in shape.  I've also heard Abraham when asked about addictions like smoking, and drinking say what I remember to be something along the lines of, "Its ok as long as you THINK AND FEEL it is ok".

SO... thats what I've done.  I quit smoking ten years ago.  I started back up about 5 months ago (After I got into the Abraham teachings mind you).  I didn't get into it (Smoking again) just because I thought, "Well it don't matter because all that matters is the way I feel" I just got into it because I wanted one and figured, "What the heck... why not?". 

Some of you may remember I'm a type one diabetic (27 Years old).  So health is a big one with me in something I want to utilize the LOA for and make it perfect.  So I've actually said to people before, "Smoking this cigarette actually IMPROVES my health" and REALLY BELIEVE / FELT IT.  Seriously... of course some thought I was crazy but I didn't give a... (You know what). 

Some of you may have heard of David Hawkins... Power vs. Force.  I really like some of the stuff he has out.  (Calibration charting, etc.  i.e. Calibration chart lets you know on a number line how, "HIGH" you are vibrating emotionally... its pretty cool check it out if you haven't).  In his book, "Power vs Force" on page 212, he says, "It would be foolish to claim that the only impacts on our health are those orginating internally, for impersonal elements of the physical world can also increase or decrease our strength.  (i.e. cafieen often makes you, "high")

So my thoughts are... is there an updated more eloquent way Abraham has commented on this saying, "Yes DO watch what you eat" or does Abraham say it doesn't matter at all as long as you continue to vibrate high.

Its a big deal for me in all areas of my health, sexually, etc.  I want to get my self in perfect health, and do what I need to do so... but I also like smoking, and not being ANAL about nutrition.  (I do eat pretty good and in mostly moderation however)  But I don't want to become VEGAN and all that if its not needed.  THOUGHTS?!

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 Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 11:56 pm
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I also started smoking since practicing the Abe teachings. I am not a compulsive smoker at all and don't feel like it is that big of a deal for me. I enjoy sitting outside and having alone time and often find that this time encourages some really good thinking. I think that it does balance me because I tend to be anal about health etc...so it keeps me connected to the fact that health is what feels good, not being completely perfect.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 12:14 am
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Hi there,

There is a quote directly from Abraham out there somewhere re smoking I've heard it - it says something about they used to advocate smoking because it involved people deep breathing and taking some chill time (paraphrasing) but I don't have it exactly, I'm sure someone will.

For me about a week ago I just stopped smoking, it involved no effort it just fell away. It happened to me a few years ago too when I stopped.

I guess it depends if it is an upstream or downstream experience for you.

I have the opposite at the moment - I am wanting to stop a habit but everytime I think about it I push against it as I don't know how to phrase my desire without involving it.

Anyway, I hope this helps and may jog someones memory!


:allgood

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 01:08 am
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It's just my opinion but I feel like with things like smoking and drinking it's a step by step thing that leads to the conclusion that I don't really need to smoke/drink/take drugs etc...

Like the first step is relaxing into it and coming to peace with the fact that it's ok if I want to, am lined up with it ,and aren't pushing against it as a negative experience.

Then when I'm comfortable with that , it's like " well what need is this satisfying within me , why do i want to do it ?

On to , " well ok , I'm getting enjoyment out of it, but maybe it's just a habit that I've conditioned myself to, and maybe I'll see what life is like without it,"

as opposed to " I need to not do this because it's bad for me "

i guess i just find it easier to come from a place of " ok, I'll make these decisions from a place of empowerment and clear feeling about what's best for me."

as opposed to " I can't be doing well with this vibrational stuff If i'm still doing this."

the first one feels a lot easier and lined up to me

 :allgood

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 01:25 am
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Rather than coming up with a quote, this may be more helpful.  You can ALWAYS trust the way you FEEL about the thought that you think.  If the thought of smoking or eating particular things feels bad, you know that your thoughts and beliefs about it are not aligned.  If the thought feels good, you can trust that you are in alignment on that issue because what you think, feel and what manifests are ALWAYS a match.  Abraham has said, however, that when you're in the vortex consistently, you make different choices than when you're outside the vortex.  They've also said that if it feels better emotionaly to watch what you eat, then that may be the path of least resistance for you.  At the core, however, there's no blanket answer of, "No, this is bad and yes, this is good."

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 02:16 am
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Pacman wrote:  "Its ok as long as you THINK AND FEEL it is ok".

SO... thats what I've done.  ... I just got into it because I wanted one and figured, "What the heck... why not?". 


 

::downstream Pacman, this is a great topic in terms of beliefs... because you are saying: "I have been taught that smoking is actually bad, but then I found Abraham, and now they say that it is only bad if you think it is - so then that's o.k..." Now, the thing is - you don't actually believe that it is o.k - or you would not be doubting what you are doing! In other words your belief that smoking is harmful is still active to some degree, because you have not found a thought that has become dominant enough to replace it e.g smoking is o.k...

So you have two options: either you find a thought that dislodges that belief, or you operate within that belief. Either way, as Marc points out - you will be guided emotionally.

A thought that might help is: "well I know plenty of people who smoked like a chimmney way into their 80's and they are still alive!"

But a thought that may not is: "I do believe a lot of things that doctors say and know"

Only you can decide where your beliefs reside with greater dominance. It sounds as if you would very much like to believe that you can do whatever you like, but have too much active with regards to your beliefs about health to allow yourself to feel good whilst smoking.

 

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 02:21 am
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Pacman wrote: In his book, "Power vs Force" on page 212, he says, "It would be foolish to claim that the only impacts on our health are those orginating internally, for impersonal elements of the physical world can also increase or decrease our strength.  (i.e. cafieen often makes you, "high")


 

This is also a great point, because everything vibrates at a frequency, and you are either at a match to that or not. So that if smoking has a particular frequency, then you will have to assess with your emotional guidance whether that frequency harmonises with you or not. You may find that you are only attracted to smoking when you are on a particular frequency...

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 02:37 am
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Interesting topic and one I have thought about a lot. I am a long term weed smoker and enjoy it, and function very well with it as part of my life for the last 20 years (I am in my mid 40s & a professional). I used to really struggle about having an addiction, but since I got to know the Abe teachings for the past year of so, I have really relaxed about it and have even stopped smoking on some occasions without any of the angst that I used to have. In these periods I felt my IB talking to me and showing me that I do not need to smoke to get in my vortex. So I feel really good now that I can stop at any time and not be an anxious wreck, infact I can be really tuned in to my source, but it also means that if I want to smoke, I can, and do, and feel great and really healthy too. I affirm my good health all the time in ROA's.

So to sum up, it is always (and only) about the way you feel. I would do rampages of appreciation and scripting to tell the story of the great health you have and always will. :allgood

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 12:50 pm
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Hi Pacman,

When I quit smoking, I never heard of Abraham but I felt I wanted to quit because of my health. So I found a book which helped me to change my thoughts about smoking completely. I recognized that smoking costs a lot of money, is not good for my health, it stinks etc. etc. So I was finding reasons to quit smoking and focusing on them instead of finding reasons to keep on smoking and easing my fear who I would be without my sigarettes.

And when the moment came I wanted to stop, I almost backed out. This big fear came up and I realised it was about failing. I had to succeed for myself. I gave myself permission to fail and voila, I could stop and feeling excited about it. I was a heavy smoker and smoked for a long time and never before make an attempt to stop.

So, I quit because it didn't feel good anymore and I had to face my fear but boy, I am so happy I don't smoke.

I wish you the best of luck with whatever feels good for YOU!

::hugging Jacqueline

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 03:28 pm
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Should I or shouldn't I...(fill in the blank)?
If I feels good, do it.
If it's not fun, don't do it.
If you have split energy, line up with what you (really) WANT.

Do a book of positive aspects on all the reason you enjoy doing it, or about all the benefits of not doing it. Get enthused and excited about one or the other choice. It's all about YOU and what you want out of life. And don't give a rip about what anyone thinks of your choices, if they make you happy.

The bottom line is, it's not the action that matters. It's your vibration.

-Chris

[and I DO believe that we are evolving to a place where people CAN defy gravity, regrow lost limbs, thrive on a junk food diet, etc., etc. The physical laws of the universe are in flux as WE--THE LEADING EDGE--EVOLVE and PUSH THE BOUNDARIES of what is possible. There are NO LIMITS when we can THINK. And I think Mr. David Whatsizname you mentioned sounds very "old school" and archaic...]

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 03:34 pm
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[and I DO believe that we are evolving to a place where people CAN defy gravity, regrow lost limbs, thrive on a junk food diet, etc., etc. The physical laws of the universe are in flux as WE--THE LEADING EDGE--EVOLVE and PUSH THE BOUNDARIES of what is possible. There are NO LIMITS when we can THINK.
My thoughts exactly.

I've been a smoker on and off for 10 years and I was contemplating the same thing. I actually enjoy smoking but know I have mixed vibrations about it. It's like a treat for myself and I so enjoy smoking with my morning coffee.
::whistle

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 04:13 pm
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I quit smoking myself in 2001 but occasionally have a few cigs when I have a couple of drinks - maybe once every couple of months...but I HAVE been a nicotine gum chewer for eight years.. I just LOVE that jolt of nicotine. LOL

-C

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 Posted: Thu Aug 13th, 2009 02:53 pm
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Angelman, one of my friends is a Ford model and she thrives on a junk food diet! Proof is in the pudding. ::LOL

Abe spoke to a woman about her caffeine addiction. Basically said that when you "need" coffee, you are outside the vortex. But you can certainly "appreciate" coffee from inside the vortex. So often I reach for that Ben and effin Jerry's when I'm outside the vortex. When I'm inside the vortex, I'm drawn to mediterranean health foods like olives and tomatoes in whole wheat pasta. I'm sure I could work on changing my beliefs/vibration on Ben and effin Jerry's, but frankly, it's been easier/faster for me to work with the belief system I already have regarding health.

In other words, your title "Is it foolish to think smoking is okay?" feels to me like YOU think it is foolish and that smoking is not okay. So if that is where you are at, respect it. If you expect everytime you smoke that you will end up with cancer, guess what you will end up with. So until you are able to truly smoke without feeling it's foolish/bad, I'd say work instead on being in the vortex so that you aren't drawn to that which feels bad/foolish.

Remember, too, that if we shout "no" at anything, we still include it. I have to remember this with Ben and effin Jerry's. Everytime Im thinking "no, I won't eat that. No, I won't buy that", it's suddenly in my mouth. So instead, I have to put my attention on something else entirely.

Well, maybe this post only made sense to me...it's kind of all over the place...but hope it helped somewhat!

 

Last edited on Thu Aug 13th, 2009 02:58 pm by mysticalcreator


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